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I am wondering which of these engines are better. Some of my online friends say no don't get the he26hp they seize all the time and some say yes get them.. I can't decide what one - he23hp or he26hp?? Are they both pretty reliable? Is the he26hp easier to seize than the he23hp? So which one should I get?
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first off hit ur friends across the face that say the he26 suck and seize. second they both has the same seizing capabilities. u just have to make sure every thing u r doing is right. brake it in right, the oil ratio, the octain,the type of oil, dont pin it out to long, warm it up before u ride, and make sure it is tuned right.
get the he25hpto goped.... or not to goped.... that is the question -
Your friends obviously dont have a clue what theyre talking about, the he26s dont "seize all the time" just run GOOD oil at 25:1 and at break in lots of WOT and you shouldnt have any problems, go with the he26.Originally posted by gopedfastCOAST PEDComment
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Thanks for the help guys.
Yeah I will break it in with 25:1 with castor 927 (got a HUGE tub of it) and 92 octane.. because thats the highest I have around here. So the he26hp it is.. i guess? Thanks - Alex
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no dont use 92 octain u will mess up ur engine. if thats all u have around go and get octain booster. u need a min of 95 octain. other wise u will have pre detenation and engine ping. NEVER RUN 92to goped.... or not to goped.... that is the questionComment
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Originally posted by motoxracer
Ummm NO.
Octane Booster=Bad, Is Mostly a mix of differnt Alchohal.
Ive Been Forced To run 91 a few times, out on long rides, I didnt Hear any Knocking or Pinging at all. Go to your local dirtbike shop and Look for better Gas, or Bust out the Phone Book.Modded out Super x ped, G2d xped,
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Would it really be that bad to run 92 octane? Its pretty close to 95...Comment
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the compression set up for that engine is made for 95 or above. and gas with out addittives is always better but if u have to then use the booster. and u really dont know what u r talking about so shut up pedhead.to goped.... or not to goped.... that is the questionComment
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Shut Up. Straight from One of my RC car Forums.
"Yes, you will be fine, 91 octane in the US is not the same as in Britain or Europe. The US uses mon+ron/2 whereas the UK and Europe use ron, I believe. When Zenoah calls for 95 octane, they are referring to the ron alone. That said, many here feel that more is more when it comes to octane, so you may want to run the 91.
I have used both 87 and 93 in my zenoahs without any changes in performance. Both available from the local TEXACO. "
MOST races in 1/5th Scale RC Cars, call for 89 octance Fuel.
"You can even get away with 87 octane. I run this during colder days. Higher octane merely retards the advanced timing on these modified engines as far as I know. Unless you race, 87 octane is fine. Mix it it with a ration of 32:1 and go run."
I believe the reason they recommend at least 95 as a "buffer" for people who will be running the car too lean, or in very hot conditions. If you are in a cooler area of the country you can use a lower octane, but if you live in an area that is 110 degrees every day then you'd want to use a higher octane..such as what they recommend.
I agree that you dont need a higher octane unless your application calls for it. I'm somewhat of a newbie with zenoah/weedwacker style motors but i'm not a newbie in the automotive world. In full scale auto engines there is the same type of misconception when it comes to octane levels. Alot of guys think adding octane booster to their full scale car will add power but in reality it doesnt add power, it just allows you to run a more agressive timing curve and base setting which then in turn gives you more power. (to a point) Of cousre you also have to factor in other things such as compression, and head design.
With that said, lower octane levels will burn quicker and hotter, and higher octane will run slower and slightly cooler. From what i've heard (from quad racers) you actually get a power INCREASE from lower octane gas with all other things equal (compression, timing, etc) if there is no detonation or lean condition. Which is all fine and good if you are racing and are on the "edge".
BUT if you can get your engine to run properly with a slightly higher octane and you dont mind the extra cost you are probabaly better off with a higher octane.
I've always used the 87-89 (mixed to 25:1 in a two gallon container) in my zenoah without any problems, and just recently switched to 93 (25:1) and it kept fouling my plug. Whether that had anything to do with it i really dont know for sure, but when i added a gallon (to the two gallon container) of 87 (32:1) to that mixture and cleaned my plug off its run excellent ever since.
Did that make sense to anyone, because i re-read it and i'm not sure it made sense to me..LOL "
"I'm sure the physics is straight forward. My point concerned why Zenoah would suggest a minimum octane rating of 95 when here in the U.S. very, very few gas stations offer fuel with such a high octane rating. Also, why is there so much anectdotal evidence from people running 87 octane fuel with no problems or sometimes better performance than from higher octane fuels. I'm certain that somewhere in this forum, on past threads, it has been mentioned that due to slightly different methods of computing octane, a specific grade of fuel here in the U.S. would have a slightly higher octane rating when computed with the method used in the U.K. and other parts of Europe."
"You have to remember that the G230RC engine is made in another Japan. The fuel they use is rated in "Research" octane. They set it at 95. Over here, the fuel we use if an average of "Research" and "Method" octane."
I talked with the gas companies about this problem. They said "Reseach" is about 5 point abouve the average and the "Method" is about 5 point below. So with this said, 92 + 5 = 97 "Research" octane or about that. You should be safe using the 89 or higher fuels available at the pumps in the US. "
"We use no more then 92. If you race in the USA ONLY use normal pump gas. BTW LOWER octane is more volitle!"
Just about Ever GUY on that Forum Knows more about g230RC & G2d Engines than Youll know in your entire life. Some of those quotes came from the creator of the "blue fire" & "black Fire" g230RC engines. If You dont belive me, Ill gladly Send you a PM with the link. So Please, think before you
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Dude,Originally posted by motoxracer
92 octane is FINECOAST PEDComment
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NUFF SAID.Originally posted by Sick ShiftDude,
92 octane is FINEAda All the way.Comment
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lol ok The octane answers part of my quesion.. but is the he26hp EASIER to seize than the he23hp? I have seen a lot of threads on GPN in the pictures section about peoples superior cylinders cracking... which is the same thing as the he26hp (he23hp with superior bbk on it). Is it a pretty touchy/risky engine to seize? If it is I might just get a he23hp...Comment
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Not isnt "easy" to seize, hell if you run GOOd oil(pref. maxima 927) at 25:1 with 92 octane and break in it well(WOT) your motor should have no problems. I ran all my RCs HARD never blew one, I have alot of friends who run HEs with no problem.Originally posted by gopedfast
As for the cracking i think you're talking about the sikks....never seen a superior clinder crack in 2 pieces before...COAST PEDComment
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The HE26HP engines do not seize easily! If an engine seizes it is usually due to user error, ie carb tuning. The Superior big bore has increased cylinder wall thickness to prevent poor heat dissipation. Plus, the Superior HE26HP comes with an hp piston in it. Which is better for performance and longevity.Originally posted by gopedfast
The same picture of a cracked Superior cylinder has be floating around GPN for months. I have only seen the one. Plus, the guy never did respond to my post. I heard that he was using a stroker in it and I wanted to know if he was, and if so did he use a extra base gasket. The Superior cylinders have a tighter(better) squish clearance(piston to head) and you must use an extra base gasket with a 1mm stroker. Everyone is use to the sloppy clearance on the Zenoah's and you can just bolt a 1mm stroker in. He never did answer my question.Comment
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Alright, thanks guys. I will get an he26hp soon and put my s1 pipe, .750 on it.
And I might make a supercooler for it..
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