Ped law page form gpn

[Yomankan]

Does everyone remember the ped law page that they put up on gpn so you can have it handy in case the cops try to get technical? I'm in Cali. Much appreciated.

[contract]

Driving is a right you have as a human being; NOT a privilege granted by any Government.

You can legally ride your Goped in any state.

State and local laws, in addition to cops themselves, are not above the Supreme Court, Constitution, or Bill Of Rights.

(Although they like to "think" and "tell you" they are, which is not the case.)

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I ride where it's not legal to do so; I will take any officer to court that attempts to give me a ticket.

Now that you're versed with "freedom".. To answer your question:

I believe in CA Goped are legal, you are just required to have a front and rear brake.

[pedguyman]

One minute google search found this. You can go to dmv and ask them for a print out of the laws or print them your self.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd11c1a5.htm

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21235.htm

[Yomankan]

Ped guy man I have obviously looked that up but I was asking the forum if they have that one thread from gpn or they have copied it while gpn was still up.

[SJ]

I do not have the thread in question saved, but I do KNOW the laws in California regarding stand-up scooter use. And contact is mistaken in his assumptions.

Stand-up scooters are Legal on public roads in California provided that we have some sort of a valid drivers license on our person, and a Learners Permit will do.
We need to wear an approved Helmet.
If we are on a road with a speed limit of less than 25 MPH we need to ride as far to the right as possible.
If we are on a road with a speed limit greater than 25 MPH we need to be in a designated (painted and or signed) Class II bike lane.
We CANNOT ride on the sidewalk other than to cross it to enter or exit a business or residence.
We may ride on bike paths or bike trails provided that they are not marked (signed) prohibiting scooter or unauthorized vehicle use.
If we ride at night we need to have a headlight and a tail light that can be seen from a distance of 300 feet.
We cannot ride two people on one scooter.
We have to have brakes that will stop the vehicle.
If you are making a left turn it is suggested that we walk the scooter across the street that we wish to turn onto and then proceed.
We must follow and adhere to all rules of the road.
And technically we have a max speed limit of 15 MPH.

All of these rules are listed in the links above (and below) but they are not all in one place. So if you want to carry the laws with you, you will have to read the links and copy/paste the laws and print them out yourself.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21235.htm

[ohsoloud]

http://www.goped.com/oldsite/html-laws/california.htm
http://dmvanswers.com/questions/1573...d-street-legal
http://www.petitiononline.com/petiti...natures?page=8

[pedguy]

Driving is a right you have as a human being; NOT a privilege granted by any Government.

You can legally ride your Goped in any state.

State and local laws, in addition to cops themselves, are not above the Supreme Court, Constitution, or Bill Of Rights.

(Although they like to "think" and "tell you" they are, which is not the case.)

...

I ride where it's not legal to do so; I will take any officer to court that attempts to give me a ticket.

Now that you're versed with "freedom".. To answer your question:

I believe in CA Goped are legal, you are just required to have a front and rear brake.

I'm not sure if you're actually serious or not.

If your are, you might want to read up on the Constitutional Amendments. Driving is no where in any of the 33.

[greenborroco]

Driving is a right you have as a human being; NOT a privilege granted by any Government.

You can legally ride your Goped in any state.

State and local laws, in addition to cops themselves, are not above the Supreme Court, Constitution, or Bill Of Rights.

(Although they like to "think" and "tell you" they are, which is not the case.)

...

I ride where it's not legal to do so; I will take any officer to court that attempts to give me a ticket.

Now that you're versed with "freedom".. To answer your question:

I believe in CA Goped are legal, you are just required to have a front and rear brake.

1) Driving is not a right it is a privilege .

2) They are not legal in all states . Florida for one.

3) Nowhere in the Supreme Court, Constitution, or Bill Of Rights is there any passages about gopeds . Or driving for that matter.

[contract]

I'm not sure if you're actually serious or not.

If your are, you might want to read up on the Constitutional Amendments. Driving is no where in any of the 33.

Reading is one thing, comprehension and understanding are another..

The answer can be found in Article Six of the U.S. Constitution.

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CASE #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago,169 NE 221.

CASE #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompsonv. Smith, 154 SE 579.

CASE #3: "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v.Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

CASE #4: "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right."Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

In Hertado v. California, 110 US 516, the U.S Supreme Court states very plainly:

"The state cannot diminish rights of the people."

And in Bennettv. Boggs, 1 Baldw 60,

"Statutes that violate the plain and obvious principles of common right and common reason are null and void."

"The assertion of federal rights, when plainly and reasonably made, is not to be defeated under the name of local practice." Davis v. Wechsler, 263 US 22, at 24

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda v. Arizona, 384 US 436, 491.

"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."Millerv. US, 230 F 486, at 489.

There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional rights." Sherer v. Cullen, 481 F 946

[SJ]

Driving is a right you have as a human being; NOT a privilege granted by any Government.

You can legally ride your Goped in any state.

State and local laws, in addition to cops themselves, are not above the Supreme Court, Constitution, or Bill Of Rights.

(Although they like to "think" and "tell you" they are, which is not the case.)

...

I ride where it's not legal to do so; I will take any officer to court that attempts to give me a ticket.

Now that you're versed with "freedom".. To answer your question:

I believe in CA Goped are legal, you are just required to have a front and rear brake.

Unfortunately it is this kind of ignorant irreverence for the law attitude that has caused stand-up scooters to be regulated and Banned in a number of cities and States across America. And it is this DGAF 'I will do whatever I want' mentality that will continue to get scooters Banned in the future

[contract]

1) Driving is not a right it is a privilege .

2) They are not legal in all states . Florida for one.

3) Nowhere in the Supreme Court, Constitution, or Bill Of Rights is there any passages about gopeds . Or driving for that matter.

Nope, see above.

Yes they are all legal states (It's a matter of understanding/trusting the law and knowing your rights as a human being, vs. being unknowable on the law, and accepting what you're told what to do because you're comfortable/easy).

Transportation is universal as long as it's NOT for commerce or personal gain. Remember what entity the government is again.. That should explain things here.

It's funny though.. Goped's tagline is: "Express your freedom".

Clearly, that's not happening today in this thread, lol.

[contract]

Unfortunately it is this kind of ignorant irreverence for the law attitude that has caused stand-up scooters to be regulated and Banned in a number of cities and States across America. And it is this DGAF 'I will do whatever I want' mentality that will continue to get scooters Banned in the future

Ignorance for the law? Come on now SJ...

I am very well versed in the law. I follow true law, which most don't understand or care to learn.

I don't run stop signs and red lights, like I have seen TONS of guys on here do in Youtube videos. (Adults too, not just kids..)

Scooters and Gopeds are "banned" because kids got killed on them.

They didn't ride safely and put their own life and the lives of OTHERS in danger.

The noise problem didn't help either to keep the peace. (But that's another story)

There is nothing more than that..

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It's still transportation, under true law it cannot be "banned" or "criminalized" if you are aren't affecting the life, liberty or property of another individual.

[Arick]

This thread is turning ugly and that is if it hasn't already. Let's provide the OP with the information he requested and let him interpret the law as he may.

[monster2.0]

I just wanted to point out it if your respectful and don't generate much noise you should be fine to drive really anywhere in the US. I drive my scooters in parts of AZ where they are totally banned and never had a issue. Its mainly the noise that pisses people off and I really cant blame them, some peoples scooters are to loud for transportation use every day. When my town held a public meeting to ban them "they didn't" the only issue that was really talked about was noise pollution, heck Steve Patmont, even showed up at that meeting. They decided to put a ban on any modification to Gopeds such as a pipe.

[SJ]

This thread is turning ugly and that is if it hasn't already. Let's provide the OP with the information he requested and let him interpret the law as he may.

I believe the OP has been provided with the information that he requested along with several links so he may interpret or copy as he sees fit.

And I have to agree with monster. Whether we live in a state where scooter use is Legal or not, it is all about the attitude, having respect for others, and....."HOW we ride".